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	<title>Comments on: Adventures in High Altitude Ballooning</title>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.davidankers.com/?p=11&#038;cpage=1#comment-96</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 15:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Adi,

There are a couple of risks with a project like this, landing in trees, water or landing somewhere where there is no GSM coverage. The best way to minimise these risks are to use a balloon trajectory predictor, we used this one:

http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cuspaceflight/predict/

It was only 5km out for us and likely would have been closer if I didn&#039;t over inflate the balloon. The trick is to use that predictor and adjust your launch location so that you will land somewhere where there is coverage. Additionally somewhere that is not forest either!

The GSM tracker used was the TK102 from Xexun, this is a very good unti, alas there are many clones of it around so I bought the one used direct from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.xexun.com/eshowcps.asp?ID=57&amp;style=GPS%B6%A8%CE%BB%B8%FA%D7%D9%C6%F7&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;factory&lt;/a&gt;.

The SPOT messenger would likely work well but I would worry about putting something that expensive in a balloon just in case. It means you do have a good chance of finding it as coverage would not be an issue but tall trees or a lake might mean and expensive experiement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Adi,</p>
<p>There are a couple of risks with a project like this, landing in trees, water or landing somewhere where there is no GSM coverage. The best way to minimise these risks are to use a balloon trajectory predictor, we used this one:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cuspaceflight/predict/" rel="nofollow">http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cuspaceflight/predict/</a></p>
<p>It was only 5km out for us and likely would have been closer if I didn&#8217;t over inflate the balloon. The trick is to use that predictor and adjust your launch location so that you will land somewhere where there is coverage. Additionally somewhere that is not forest either!</p>
<p>The GSM tracker used was the TK102 from Xexun, this is a very good unti, alas there are many clones of it around so I bought the one used direct from the <a href="http://www.xexun.com/eshowcps.asp?ID=57&#038;style=GPS%B6%A8%CE%BB%B8%FA%D7%D9%C6%F7" rel="nofollow">factory</a>.</p>
<p>The SPOT messenger would likely work well but I would worry about putting something that expensive in a balloon just in case. It means you do have a good chance of finding it as coverage would not be an issue but tall trees or a lake might mean and expensive experiement.</p>
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		<title>By: Adi Chopra</title>
		<link>http://www.davidankers.com/?p=11&#038;cpage=1#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>Adi Chopra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 09:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David, 

We are trying do something similar for a science experiment but we don&#039;t know what GSM / GPS tracker we should use (we want minimum cost so that we can repeat the experiment). The other issue is that it is not clear to us if this will work outside metropolitan regions where GSM coverage is quite limited. 

http://www.gsmworld.com/cgi-bin/ni_map.pl?x=7&amp;y=2&amp;z=2&amp;cc=au&amp;net=te 

The other option we are considering is a SPOT Messenger tracker (http://au.findmespot.com/en/) but is quite expensive ($~400 including 1yr subscription)

We are located in Canberra.

Hope you can guide us.

Thanks,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David, </p>
<p>We are trying do something similar for a science experiment but we don&#8217;t know what GSM / GPS tracker we should use (we want minimum cost so that we can repeat the experiment). The other issue is that it is not clear to us if this will work outside metropolitan regions where GSM coverage is quite limited. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.gsmworld.com/cgi-bin/ni_map.pl?x=7&amp;y=2&amp;z=2&amp;cc=au&amp;net=te" rel="nofollow">http://www.gsmworld.com/cgi-bin/ni_map.pl?x=7&amp;y=2&amp;z=2&amp;cc=au&amp;net=te</a> </p>
<p>The other option we are considering is a SPOT Messenger tracker (<a href="http://au.findmespot.com/en/" rel="nofollow">http://au.findmespot.com/en/</a>) but is quite expensive ($~400 including 1yr subscription)</p>
<p>We are located in Canberra.</p>
<p>Hope you can guide us.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 04:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve sent you an email :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve sent you an email <img src='http://www.davidankers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joyce Lynch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joyce Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my students would like to know your initial ground temperature, so they can use combined gas law to estimate air pressure  at the -55C height, which we guess was between 70-80,000 feet (confirm?) thanks. Chemistry 101, Lakewood, WA, USA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my students would like to know your initial ground temperature, so they can use combined gas law to estimate air pressure  at the -55C height, which we guess was between 70-80,000 feet (confirm?) thanks. Chemistry 101, Lakewood, WA, USA</p>
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		<title>By: Rian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-45&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Rian &lt;/a&gt; 
Yeap, the ones I used were 2 dBi:

http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9143

The key thing is to mount them in the horizon polarisation rather than vertical as of course as the nulls are at the ends od the antennas and the balloon is right above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-45" rel="nofollow">@Rian </a><br />
Yeap, the ones I used were 2 dBi:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9143" rel="nofollow">http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9143</a></p>
<p>The key thing is to mount them in the horizon polarisation rather than vertical as of course as the nulls are at the ends od the antennas and the balloon is right above.</p>
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		<title>By: Rian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, but do know how much gain they have? Are they just the little 10cm &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9143&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2 dBi antennas&lt;/a&gt; like the ones from SparkFun?

There&#039;s a few 3 and 5 dBi antennas around, but if 2 dBi is enough I&#039;ll go with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, but do know how much gain they have? Are they just the little 10cm <a href="http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9143" rel="nofollow">2 dBi antennas</a> like the ones from SparkFun?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a few 3 and 5 dBi antennas around, but if 2 dBi is enough I&#8217;ll go with that.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeap, rubber duck omni antennas on both ends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeap, rubber duck omni antennas on both ends.</p>
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		<title>By: Rian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been looking at doing something like this for a while, and the success you had with the XBee XSCs is really encouraging.

I was hoping to find out what gain your antennas have? I take it you&#039;re talking about the &quot;rubber duck&quot; type omni antennas?

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been looking at doing something like this for a while, and the success you had with the XBee XSCs is really encouraging.</p>
<p>I was hoping to find out what gain your antennas have? I take it you&#8217;re talking about the &#8220;rubber duck&#8221; type omni antennas?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 06:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I already had the XSCs for a UAV so wasn&#039;t really an issue. As we did just over 15 miles height, obviously something with a best case range of  6 miles isn&#039;t going to work so well if you want to track it the whole flight. I used the RP-SMA omni antennas on both ends, mounted in the horizontal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I already had the XSCs for a UAV so wasn&#8217;t really an issue. As we did just over 15 miles height, obviously something with a best case range of  6 miles isn&#8217;t going to work so well if you want to track it the whole flight. I used the RP-SMA omni antennas on both ends, mounted in the horizontal.</p>
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